Clean up on aisle 5!

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Clean up on aisle 5!

Lindauer follow-up, Jake Tapper, John Roberts and more. (Listen and read at 1.25 speed)

Matt Jordan

May 27, 2025

Transcript

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A follow-up on the previous show.

I knowingly brought Susan Lindauer on to promote her book. And I am a man of my word. I know there are a number of subscribers to the P4B and Free Zone, on Substack and Rumble, who subscribe to the alternate 9/11 theories. So, the book is called Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq. It’s available in Amazon. If you are what is commonly known as a “9/11 truther” you’ll eat it up.

That said, after inviting Susan on and starting her book, I was extremely skeptical - of Susan. I think a little housekeeping is in order. After research and a second interview, I hold little if any faith in key points in her narrative. Not because of who she is. I find I have great affection toward her. But I believe she, and her involvement with two men, Richard Fiuisz and Paul Hoven, are a tragic and odd story.

What was she to them? Entertainment? An odd duck who walks into embassies and might come away with a scrap of something they can exploit? Because of all the exploits of the two men that are supposed to make them major players, and worthy of being Susan’s handlers - comes from Susan. I cannot find independent verification that Richard Fuisz accomplished the all the feats she credits him with. And the one significant, detailed story she associates with Hoven, in our interviews, is not true.

But I will stipulate that Fuisz was at least a CIA asset himself and Hoven was DIA. Hoven also claimed to know co-conspirators in the JFK assassination.

Did Fuisz, through his private business dealings with foreign governments, have information that might be beneficial to the United States? Sure! Of course! Is that unusual? Nope. Does that make him the key intelligence player throughout the Middle East Susan describes him as being? Not necessarily. But Susan insists he was.

Did Paul Hoven blow up a gas station at precisely the time a missile, unwanted by the DoD, was in the gas station? No, he didn’t. That incident never happened. I’ll relate that story as it is illuminating. Susan reports Paul blew up the gas station at the time a monkey, infected with Ebola, had escaped its pen and got into that gas station. By blowing it up, Paul saved the DoD money on a bad missile and saved the good people of Reston, Virginia from Ebola. BRILLIANT!!! Except the nearest gas station explosions and the monkey incident were three years apart. And no monkey ever left the compound where they were held. Even the monkey facility was disinfected and remained on the market for years. So much for the need to blow up a gas station.

In episode 26, Susan said the government makes things like this “disappear”. I guess, in the process, they made the town of Reston and the county of Fairfax forget there was a gas station explosion in 1989. For the record there was a natural gas transfer station explosion in 1983 (That was a humdinger. The bang was so loud, and mushroom cloud was so big some people thought it was a nuke!). And there was a gasoline station explosion in 1986. Oddly enough, that was caused by two knuckleheads who had created a homemade launcher for anti-tank rounds. While they were in the station, one knucklehead dropped the loaded device and the rest is history.

The monkey incident, much more controversial than a gas station fire, didn’t get erased by these supposed spooks. The animals were euthanized by injection. No truck. No monkey blood in a gas station. No missile. No gas station blown up.

Susan insisted I contact a “witness” to the event. I have. I’ve received no reply and don’t expect to. If I do, I’ll let you know.

Lockerbie

For some reason, Richard Fuisz and Susan saw fit to inject themselves into the Lockerbie investigation and trial. This was based on her “relationship” with the Libyan embassy at the UN. She established that relationship, years before, by walking in off the street (Oswald?…Soviets in Mexico? OR Hansen…Russian Embassy in DC?) and informing them she was an asset of the CIA. She claims Richard Fuisz sent her there.

While Lindauer claims she “KNOWS” it was actually People’s Liberation Front of Palestine (PLFP) who downed the airliner over Scotland, she ALSO claims SHE was the ONE who got the Libyan suspects extradited to stand trial. This ignores the FACT that for months it was the Dutch government who had put their credibility on the line to accomplish just that. And yes, Susan claims the perps were not Libyans. None of that figures logically. Why would she fight for the extradition of people she thinks are innocent to stand trial?

I’ll cut to the chase. Scotland had the physical evidence linking the suspects to the crime. But I’m sure it’s just all part of the PLOT.

In my estimation, after reading the court documents, all Fuisz and Lindauer did in Scotland was throw a stick in the spokes of the investigation of the incident, and the trial.

In depositions of Richard, regarding his interference, he claimed he could not discuss his knowledge of the incident or his work with Susan because it was classified by the CIA (after saying he knew is wasn’t Libyans who done it).

The prosecutors then jumped through hoops to find out who could clear Fuisz to talk to prosecutors or the defense. They got the clearance. A man name Murtaugh said Fuisz was free to talk about Lockerbie all he wanted to. At that point Fuisz said that OH, it was another situation altogether that prevented him from talking and he couldn’t even talk about that. In my opinion, Fuisz killed his own credibility. Scotland authorities wanted nothing more to do with these weird Americans, and dumped them. They had NOTHING of substance to contribute.

But there is one other possibility as to why Richard Fuisz made such a drama queen fuss about discussing anything he got with or from Susan Lindauer. That would require he admit he suborned Susan to act as an unregistered foreign agent trying to influence officials in the United States. So he would be complicit in her offenses later.

Fuisz did tell a Scottish newspaper, The Sunday Herald, that he had cut ties with Lindauer on 9/11 because her actions were “becoming seditious”. I can see that. She is effusive in her praise of Iraq and Libya. Saddam knew who she was. The Iraqis said to her, “You know more than anyone.” But her views toward the US government are scathing and personal. Perhaps understandable NOW. But in 2001, she hadn’t been rolled up and put in a mental facility, yet. On 9/11 she claims the French video, taken from the ground, of the first plane hitting the building, was clear evidence of Mossad involvement. So she may have already been screaming that Bush was a murderer. The French video was indicative of NOTHING, other than French documentarians were working in NY on 11 Sep 2001.

And what of that role she says she played. Can you imagine the conversation in the Libyan offices when she says she got the perps extradited? “Hey boss. Susan Lindauer, the one who walked in off the streets a few years back, is outside. The President of the United States wants us to negotiate the extradition the entire Western World wants - with HER.”

Regardless of Richard’s involvement, this episode may indicate that Susan promoting Susan is more important than consideration for the thousands of surviving family members (9/11 and Lockerbie) who are looking for proper closure - which they’d have if not for the “truthers” who claim to know better.

Abu Nidal…

,,,real name Sabri Al-banna. The nom de guerre means “father of the struggle”. Very dramatic. A lot of these nut bags, religious or just criminal, change their name to “father” of something. In reality they are often trying to be the toughest boy scout in their block, or sometimes, the most notable terrorist nut bag in the Middle East.

Susan claims that Abu Nidal was involved with the Lockerbie incident, and well he may have been. He had spent time in Libya. But after MANY people in the intelligence community tracked his ass for a long time, she claims she is the one who got him rolled up. In context of our discussions one is hard-pressed not to think about the two judges who considered her unfit for trial and the court shrink who saw her as delusional.

This does not mean I think Susan is being intentionally hurtful. I believe she believes all of it. But I can’t ignore the two judges.

Iraq, the weapons inspections and 9/11.

I didn’t count the number of times Susan repeated how she got the weapons inspectors back into Iraq, as a civilian, CIA asset, on the orders of one man. But it was a lot! Hans Blix? Mohamed El Baradei? The UN? Punks, amateurs compared to Susan Lindauer.

She also insisted that she was sent to the Iraqi embassy on several occasions to “demand” intel on who was going to attack the Twin Towers. Finally, she says sending her to do so, in the Spring and Summer of 2001, came directly from the President of the United States. This defies reason on too many levels.

Let’s pretend the US government believed Iraq had such info. Susan claims that providing it, then seeing the towers go down would have given us justification for the war. But if they didn’t have it, then that would give us justification for the war. (Leave aside that idea that Iraqi involvement in 9/11 died long before we went to war - and we still went to war.) If W did want war with Iraq (it was actually Rumsfeld until long after 9/11 and not W), why would he give them a chance to redeem themselves by sending Susan to spoil the plan? They wouldn’t want to know anything about what Iraq thought about 9/11, if all they wanted to do is frame them for 9/11. While sending Susan to demand information about an attack, Susan insists vehemently W knew the exact plan and that it would come in late August or early September and that it would be the Twin Towers! But even the golf course briefing she claims to have contributed to, and Bush “ignored”, made no mention of when an attack would take place, or ANY mention of the WTC.

This is the part of Susan’s narrative she goes back to ad infinitum. It is the part I believe the least. Not her telling of it, but the sense of it ever having been an operative reality.

9/11 Specifically

Here’s where I part ways with Susan most vociferously. She indicated in the interview that I was defending Bush and Chaney because I like them. A cheap dodge.

The fact is I did like W, but my opinion of him has fallen sharply since he was president. I still like Dick Chaney, but I’d tell him to his face, as I said in an earlier episode, that he was a real dick when it came to Iraq. And that’s not because I care about Iraq. They could be swallowed by a sink hole as far as I am concerned.

BUT…

The implications of Susan’s narrative, and she said as much in our interview, is that W, Chaney, and countless others in the government (her entire “chain of command”) were intentional mass murderers. She claims that the entire incident - bringing down the towers - was known to, and assisted by the Bush administration. She says that, over months, explosives were planted in the exact locations where the buildings would start to collapse (right where the planes would eventually hit) and that successive explosions finished the job. She says that it was all a plot so we could go to war with Iraq.

Susan is not alone in this kind of claim. People were saying it long before she wrote her book. This is the ultimate slap in the face of every person who died that day and every mourning family member. Why? Because there is not a single shred of evidence that it is true.

Throughout my two interviews with Susan I repeated the adage extraordinary assertions require extraordinary evidence. Susan’s response on more than one occasion was that her telling me was the evidence. In her book she says (as many others have) people crept into Word Trade Center when no one was working, between 2 and 5:30, every morning for months. The implication is that they were planting explosives throughout the building. And no one ever saw them. And the video of their arrival and departure for MONTHS is missing. Naturally. Well, boys and girls, that would be pretty damn important evidence. Damn secret government plot!!!

Also, no one on the planet could ever know who might decide to work odd hours in WTC. Some offices worked 24/7. And who could know when a young exec might bring a sweet piece of ass up to his company’s office suite too impress her? Stealth, in such a situation, is utterly beyond the control of the supposed saboteurs. Too many people would have seen the comings and goings, regardless of what the “missing” video would have captured. And was there no security in the most significant commercial center on the planet? Were they utterly stupid?

The work required to pull off such a stunt would have required significant penetration of walls. But we are to believe that this went repeatedly unnoticed in hundreds of locations? The saboteurs probably used those silent tools you see on Mission Impossible. And, as I mentioned, the collapse of BOTH towers starts in the most damaged parts of the very floors the planes hit. How was that knowable to the government “plotters”? It wasn’t. This is the weakest part of the 9/11 “truther” narrative.

As with the interference in the Lockerbie case, this kind of empty, pointless agitation does nothing but pick at the scabs born by the victims’ families and contributes not at all to any study of that hateful day. I wish these people would find reality - or find REAL evidence for their claims - before blowing off their mouths.

I promised, at one point in the video, to get back to the subject of Andy Card - Susan’s cousin. She wrote letter to him, using info she acquired from Iraqis in an effort to influence administration policies. He handed the letters to the justice department. And THAT is how she ended up standing before a judge answering charges under the 1938 Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). She wrote letters to Colin Powell as well. They were not just a package of intel. The one to Powell was a bit of a lecture on how to do his job. I don’t know what Powell did with them.

I linked two videos to my interview with Susan regarding the logical sequence that brought down the Twin Towers and 7 WTC. You’ll find both embedded at the end of the page, below the audio line. Pay particular attention to the floor structures and the number of main columns that were destroyed. While it may be true that fire alone might not destroy the buildings, and that a 707 IMPACT wouldn’t, a 767, was more than twice as heavy than what the buildings were theoretically capable of withstanding moving at 500 MPH with 20k gallons of fuel and other combustibles (passengers and their luggage). That’s a very different story. Also, all the theories on the towers not being brought down by fire assumed firefighters being on scene and putting the fire out within about an hour.

My final thought on 9/11 is this: Why after going to all the trouble to rig the towers with explosives, would the saboteurs then even bother with 7 WTC? It would be seen, and it was, as a non-event compared to the BIG magic trick. It makes zero sense. WTC 7 dropped for reasons very similar to the Twin Towers.

I am not alone in my skepticism regarding Susan’s work. Lou Wein, former editorial page editor for The Herald of Everett, and Susan’s old boss, said Susan’s writing was brilliant, but erratic. I can attest to that. If you set aside your skepticism, and read Extreme Prejudice as a novel, it’s a page-turner. When told of the charges against Susan (acting as an unregistered foreign agent and trying to influence US policy), Wein said, “I can believe it.”

I think it’s a real injustice that Lindauer was put through the ringer, but Biden’s crackhead son and Kerry’s stepson are walking the streets. If Linda’s tinkering and the supposed $10,000 payday was such a big deal, Heinz and Hunter should be sent up the river for the remainder of their lives!

Hiding Joe’s Wall Banging and Window Licking

I’ll take my criticism about the media’s complicity in hiding Joe Biden’s obvious decline a step further. More specifically, I’ll take Jake Tapper, now flogging a book on the subject, to the woodshed.

Not only did this lying knucklehead claim he only learned of old Joe’s incompetence after the election, but when confronted with it earlier in interviews, he would shout down ANYONE who mentioned it. A critic might start to mention Joe’s cognitive decline and Jake would start with the no-no-no, bip-bip-bip… and cut off the speaker. Here’s just one example.

The Lefty talking heads are using the excuse that the administration was covering up Joe’s mental affliction, which surely they were. He’s started calling Mike Donilon “Steve”. Donilon has been working for him for more than 20 years!

In those days, one of two things could be said of Jake Tapper. 1. He was the stupidest “journalist” of our age, since he missed, until 2025, what we all saw since 2019. That’s pretty damn stupid. OR 2. He was part of the propaganda machine told to transmit talking points and never question three-day work weeks and 11:00 AM lids.

Hold these dorks up to ridicule at every opportunity.

Charter Schools

John Roberts is every bit the show boat I have always accused hum of being. Today, with Coney Barrett’s recusal, Roberts sided with the Left to shut down the case for charter schools. I believe he makes these moves because he wants cache in DC cocktail parties (beautiful people inside the Beltway LOVE the corrupt teachers’ unions) and wants to see his name in the history books on high profile cases.

I any event, thanks to Roberts, our kids will continue to be warehoused in the shit holes we euphemistically call “schools” - at least in the cities where NO ONE gives a shit about the kids.

More about Mackinlay.

I am looking forward to my interview with Lord Craig Mackinlay, from the House of Lords, in June. I am highly interested in his views on GW/CC and green scams. But I found out this guy is a world class bad ass. A short time ago, he had a wicked battle with sepsis. IT COST HIM ALL FOUR LIMBS! He is a quad amputee!

This would have been enough to wreck most people. Craig was back on the job in about a year. His visit will be a high honor for the Free Zone and a real treat you! Keep an eye out here. Don’t miss it!

Cheers.